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Kathleen Weber's avatar

for the need for Dems to focus on economic issues, this is a report from a year long campaign by a Democrat in a New York district.

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/what-i-saw-on-the-campaign-trail

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Joe Freiberger's avatar

I also posted this on Lucas Kunce substack.

Compare with other countries, how Trump handled Covid versus how Biden handled Covid.

Trump had far more deaths and far deeper recession and job losses than the rest of the world. Biden had far less inflation and reduced it far faster with far faster economic recovery than the rest of the world.

But most believe Trump did a better job with the economy. Democrats don't have a message problem, they have a message delivery problem.

We need to crowd source for a new message delivery system that uses the internet. Most people are on the internet and use it daily. And its cheap reletive to TV advertising.

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T_Allen's avatar

There are those who know what to deliver and how to deliver it and are doing so. Why can't the DNC and Democrats begin by doing what's successful instead of trying to reinvent the wheel. Bernie, AOC, Pat Ryan (also ny) are just a few names to begin with.

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Wayne Sibilia's avatar

Unfortunately I think the answer to the question you raise is that the DNC and many Democrats prefer the status quo and do not want the policies favored by Bernie Sanders, AOC, etc. to become the law of the land. Look at how Nancy Pelosi treated AOC when she first came into Congress, and how the DNC blocked Sanders everytime he ran for president. The Obamas wanted Hilary--Obama is not even a liberal much less a progressive. I agree totally with you but sadly the Democratic party has been ruled and run by neoliberals and not liberals for a long time, also Bill Clinton as an example Everyday I receive emails from Kamala Harris and others asking for more donations; I don't think she will ever learn.

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Thomas L. Hutcheson's avatar

If we were serious about bringing more manufacturing to the US, we would cut the deficits to = Σ(expenditures with NPV>0), borrow only for productive public investments. This would weaken the dollar and encourage exports. The US should be financing and supplying more of the world's investment in CO2 emissions technology, for example. The Biden approach trade restrictions any deficit financed subsidies does not work and Trump looks like he'll double down on the failure.

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Pete Obermeier's avatar

Recommendations

Robert Reich's Coffee Klatch

https://youtu.be/wPWr_UKxd60?si=Ktvy2hYUZaBNW8K6

would be a very useful site for the fifth column to Ally with

as we begin building communities from the ground up to slow down this mindless rush to the authoritarians who promised everything and will deliver nothing except what goes into their own pockets.

https://youtu.be/hV8wD5RhFwA?si=PG-0yVGpnHcf7sO5

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Carolyn Chaperon's avatar

After working advertising… Yes Yes Yes.

Human beings are and will continue to be the same as we’ve always been and are easily persuaded, which is why we have commercials. Which is why the entertainers win the audience. Which is why we are here.

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Thomas L. Hutcheson's avatar

Do we care if these programs actually work? Lead to new jobs with higher incomes?

Can we -- please -- come up with the additional revenue to pay for this and hopefully reduce the rest of the deficit, too?

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Kathleen Weber's avatar

I'd say raise taxes on billionaires to pay for it.

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JamesLeng's avatar

Please, oh please, tax land value instead. https://gameofrent.com/ That still mostly hits billionaires, as well as non-billionaire slumlords, but without creating incentive for them to trash the rest of the economy by squirming around trying to evade paying their fair share.

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KTonCapeCod's avatar

As long as you tax Black Rock for buying up all the property for themselves.

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JamesLeng's avatar

Yep, whole point of a Georgist LVT is destroying the viability of that sort of absentee-bandit business model, forcing such speculators to either hand over hoarded land-use rights to someone who'll actually make efficient use of the space, or else face a level of ongoing costs that shareholders won't tolerate.

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Td van Gaalen's avatar

unfortunately, people voting for Drumpf aren't willing to learn anything. They believe they know it all.

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Joe Freiberger's avatar

The Republicans literally deliver their message 365 days a year over radio and TV. People listen to conservative radio and TV all day long.

Democrats deliver their message for less than a week after spending 6 months passing a bill.

Whatever the message is (could be Bernie or AOC ...) it does not reach the public, with the 365 day a year power, of the Republican media. There are people who strongly support Bernie and AOC but their message is not delivered 365 days a year.

We need to find a way to do that. And I suspect some interactive social media/internet type method would work. But there may be others.

What ideas do you have for delivering the Democratic message 365 days a year to a broad swath of Democratic supporters?

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Bobbie Carbaugh's avatar

I like this idea and have thought for a long time the way to reach everyone, especially rural America is with billboards, rather than an excessive amount of money spent on TV ads. They need to be everywhere with a simple, clear message.

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Joe Freiberger's avatar

I just posted this on Lucas Kunce substack, but you may like it as a suggestion.

Democrats have a message delivery problem, unlike conservatives who have radio and TV 24/7 free advertising.

I'd like to suggest a tiered online support network. Democrats need to be engaged and not just told what to think, like most conservatives.

Imagine if a leader like Lucas Kunce were able to ask a real question, like suggestions how to reach a certain group of people. That question would go out to many Tier 1 groups (maybe groups of 10 or 15 people). Tier 1 groups would discuss it and offer their suggestion to Tier 2 groups that would accumulate the suggestions and eventually pass them to Tier3 which is probably Lucas Kunce himself.

Maybe 1 question a week or 1 question a month.

Tier 2 would communicate its selection and reasons as well as all the suggestions to the Tier 1 people. That is, the Tier 1 people would be heard and Tier 2 and Tier 3 would be getting fresh ideas from the creativity of thousands of supporters.

I'd love to help create something like this. It would need checks for bad actors and other stuff. It may be able to be started with something as simple as Reddit groups or maybe Substack has some options or enhancements to its comment section that could be used.

Imagine the creativity and engagement of thousands or hundreds of thousands of supporters working on a year round basis. Difficult maybe, but monstrously powerful if successful. Maybe one question a week or one question a month. Everyone is online much of the time anyway, and most would love to contribute. I certainly would. Joe.freiberger@gmail.com

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Sol Sön's avatar

The Democratic Party? You mean the one which brought lock downs, mandatory vaccinations with toxic jabs, suspension of civil and human rights, proxy war with Russia, and a Genocide turned into a full blown Holocaust?

Perhaps time for the people to wake up, rebrand the democrats as demoncrats, and start a new party constituted by people for the people instead of the eugenists for mass culling and technocratic dictatorship which the “democratic party” have proven to be.

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Lisa J. Miller's avatar

You make some valid points and the oldsters need to go. But I like a lot of Kathleen's suggestions too. The Dems became the Party of the elites pure and simple.

I was reading in the NYT today that when all is said and done Kamala will have lost by about 237,000 votes across 3 states in the EC. Less than 50 % in the popular Vote. Hardly a mandate. We definitely need YOUNG new leaders though. On Both sides!!!

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Sol Sön's avatar

Young new leaders is the recipe for a sure disaster.

You don’t use the inexperienced to guide the people, you need the elders for that.

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Lisa J. Miller's avatar

Ok so what is your answer then? The elders are the ones who have help get us into this mess!! Just sayin'.

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Lisa J. Miller's avatar

*helped

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Swami's avatar

Does job training work? What is the actual record and cost effectiveness of this, or is it just political posturing?

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Kathleen Weber's avatar

Job training is not a college degree. It is a shorter program aimed at filling an existing job.

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T_Allen's avatar

You are a snob.

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